John may have been doing the same in his letter. Just because she had already passed away and the Holy Church is identified metaphorically with St. Mary. Priscilla Papers 10:3, Summer 1996. I have never encountered something like this in the many years of peeling potatoes Greetings to the elect lady (verses 1-3). As for the Protevangelium of James, it blatantly goes against Scripture. These verses are not referring to his natural children, but to “children of God” or “Christian disciples.”. It would not have been out of place for John—while writing the letter specifically to Mary—to have addressed the church as a very special lady. Old Testament Priests and New Testament Ministers I have included the King James translation in the endnotes. It seems more reasonable to think that the term “chosen lady” served to identify this woman as well as her actual name, in the same way that a Cyprian Levite name Joseph became better known to the apostles and to us as Barnabas (“Son of Encouragement”, Acts 4:36). 7. 5:17; 1 Pet. Some were prominent leaders in the Christian communities of the First Century AD. . Philip’s four daughters, who were single women, were ministers of the Gospel in New Testament times. It makes sense that he would refer to those led by his colleagues (the chosen lady and her chosen sister) as their children. Who else would be loved by ALL other believers? Some conjecture that elect might be the name of a family, or of a particular church; but the common opinion is, that it was the proper name of a virtuous lady.. Paul’s Qualifications for Church Leaders Only book in bible written to woman. In 1 and 3 John, we have good precedent for a church leader addressing those in his care as his children. In 1 Peter 5:13, Peter writes, “She who is in Babylon, chosen together (or  co-elect) with you sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.” As mentioned in the article, Clement of Alexandria believed that “she” in Babylon was the same person as the chosen lady in 2 John. This is despite the fact that no congregation is referred to as a “lady” (Greek: kuria) in the New Testament or in later writings. Why would John use the word “church” plainly in 3 John, but supposedly refer to the church metaphorically as a “lady” in 2 John? He was also older in the sense of Christian growth and was a ‘pillar’ of the congregation.—Ga 2:9. Noting that the pronouns translated “your” in verse 4 and “you” in verse 5 are singular, we deduce that John was writing primarily to the lady, but what he wrote was meant to be shared with the church that she led. Mary would most likely have been dead by that time. We can debate about this though, but I do not want to at the moment. That is to say: a church is a group or assembly of people. Kuria “Lady” in Papyrus Letters The letter is clearly written by John. This is in accord with II John 1, 13. Presuming that John the apostle is the author of 2 John, he would not have written a letter to a housemate if she was still alive. Nothing in the text of 2 John requires us to substitute a symbolic meaning for the plain literal meaning of John’s words. The masculine gender is the “default” grammatical gender in Greek and is often used for groups that include both men and women. The mention of this other elect lady and her children further supports the … 2 John 1:1 ABP_Strongs (i) 1 G3588 The G4245 elder, G1588 to the chosen G2959 lady, G2532 and G3588 to G5043 her children, G1473 G3739 whom G1473 I G25 love G1722 in G225 truth, G2532 and G3756 not G1473 I G3441 alone, G235 but G2532 also G3956 all … Smalley does not suggest that we take “the beloved Gaius” as a metaphor for a church! [16] It is important to note that many grammatically masculine participles and other words used in the New Testament apply equally to men and women believers. The Babylonian empire was long gone by the time 1 Peter was written. 3 There will be with us undeserved kindness, mercy, and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, with truth and love. However I have not ignored her. It should be avoided. 2 John 1:6 - And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. It is unlikely that the recipient of 2 John was a woman named Kyria. These letters might mention the names of many people well-known to both the writer and the recipient but unknown to you. Martha was a woman of tremendous faith and spiritual insight (John 11:22, 24, 27). Do you think he knows the "chosen lady?" 2 John 1:1 Context. Holy Bible never says that Mary, the theotokos, gave birth to other children. [8] So for various reasons, Mary the mother of Jesus could not have been the chosen lady. In fact my views on the topic have been formed by reading the Greek, including the Greek of John’s other letters. Second John - see below where chosen is used instead of elect. Instead, when translating the Greek, we should use service-related definitions of the word: steward, responsible for, oversight, care of, servant, minister to their needs. 2 The truth, which lives faithfully within all of us and will be with us for all eternity, is the basis for our abounding love. [5] John Wesley (who did not have access to many of the ancient Greek documents that are now available, such as the ones mentioned above) also believed that Kyria was the woman’s name. 2 John 1:1 - NCV - From the Elder. And rightly dividing God’s Word gets more difficult with every religious generation. Early church writings inform us that Philip’s daughters were held in high esteem by the early church. .” This does not sound at all as though John were addressing a congregation. 2 John Complete Jewish Bible (CJB). “ye/you”). Euodia and Syntyche: Women Church Leaders at Philippi [13] Jerome (ep. Wikipedia currently states: "who the elect lady is no one knows." 2 John 1:1-13 NASB1995 The elder to the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in truth; and not only I, but also all who know the truth, for the sake of the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever: Grace, mercy and peace will be with us, from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. [8] Mary the mother of Jesus and John the Apostle may have spent their last years at Ephesus. Just read through the Second Epistle of John from Mary’s perspective, and see what the Spirit confirms to you. 1:2), as well as “the chosen lady” (2 John 1:1, 5) and “the chosen sister” (2 John 1:13), may have been house church leaders. [1] Some Bible scholars believe that 2 John was written by a well-known elder named John (mentioned by Papias and others), and was not written by John the apostle. What’s your comment on that? Jesus did not give any authority to any class or office of Believers over their Brothers and Sisters. Before the Industrial Revolution, nearly all industry was cottage industry and nearly all women’s work included much more than caring for children and keeping house. Are not the whole womenhood honored through the one woman, who untied the curse upon the whole creation through her wonderful obedience? I hope to study this out more deeply. Here in this little letter is all the Bible tells us about the chosen lady: John had the highest regard for her as a colleague in ministry. Mary spent her last years at Ephesus and is also buried there. I have learned a lot reading your comments. I am writing to the chosen lady and to her children, whom I love in the truth--as does everyone else who knows the truth--" 2 John 1:1, CSB: "The elder: To the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth--and not only I, … I do believe that the chosen lady refers to an individual and not the church. The Elder and the Lady: A look at the language of Second John Paul’s Masculine and Feminine Leadership. The brevity of the letter argues against it being primarily a letter to a church. They aren’t Scripture by any means (although you COULD make a good argument for Enoch), but they are good viable historical works, nonetheless. The term kuria, which implies that she was the head of a household, and the absence of any reference to her husband suggest that she was widowed. Paul used the same word in Romans 16 to describe Rufus as a “choice man in die Lord.” Jesus used this word when he said, “Many are called but few are chosen.” In Colossians 3:12, this word is used to describe believers as “those who have been chosen by God.” It can be used in the sense of “respected” or “honorable.” Here in 2 John, the word probably should be taken in the sense of “elect” or “chosen.” Certainly, she was chosen in the Ephesians 1 sense of being “chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world,” but she was also chosen in the sense of having been either appointed by the apostle John or chosen by the church to a place of leadership. John is the "Elder." The First Century Church and the Ministry of Women ABP_Strongs. Scripture portrays Jerusalem as the mother of Israel, an image that is reflected in Galatians and Revelation. 1:14;); and the man who was the recipient of 3 John. To the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in truth—and not I alone, but also all who have come to know the truth— because of the truth that abides in us and will be with us forever: Grace, mercy, and shalom be with us, from God the Father and from Messiah Yeshua, the Father’s Son, in truth and love! In 1826, the English Methodist commentator Adam Clarke wrote, “I am satisfied that no metaphor is here intended; that the epistle was sent to some eminent Christian matron, not far from Ephesus, who was probably a deaconess of the church, who, it is likely had a church at her house, or at whose house the apostles and traveling evangelists preached, and were entertained.”9 Clarke was right as far as he went—I would only add that the chosen lady’s ministry probably went beyond being a gracious hostess, although it surely included that. Does this suggest the "chosen lady" and her "chosen sister" are churches? Purpose of 2 John. 2 We love you because of the truth that lives in us and will be with us forever. “Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son : and he called His name Jesus.”. Significantly, he takes both the woman “in Babylon” and the chosen lady of 2 John to be actual women. 2:22). 2. For example, kuria is used in direct address by Isaac to his mother Sarah in The Testament of Abraham (3.10 recension A) (circa 100 AD); it is used by Hermas to his former owner Rhoda in the Shepherd of Hermas 1:5) (circa 100 AD); and it is used by Perpetua’s brother and father to their sister and daughter, respectively, in the account of Perpetua’s martyrdom (para. This woman represents the church and Hermas calls her kuria when speaking to her. No, I do not. New Testament Women Church Leaders A metaphor does not work unless others understand the sense in which it is used. She is the chosen lady. [10] In his first letter, John used the word “children” (tekna and teknia) numerous times  (e.g., 1 John 2:1, 28; 3:1-2, 7, 10, 18; 4:4; 5:2, 21). We have to keep this in mind. Is this not great? I don’t think we can say with any certainty who the chosen lady or the chosen sister were. I think it is unlikely that the chosen lady’s name was Electa. [9] What these people have failed to take into account is that, in each of his three letters, John frequently used the word “children” (tekna and teknia) as a term to refer to Christians, to “spiritual children.”[10], In 3 John 1:4, John writes to a man called Gaius[11] saying, “I have no greater joy than this: to hear that my children are walking in the truth.”[12] Compare this with what John writes to the chosen lady in 2 John 1:4: “I rejoiced greatly having found out from [some of] your children that they are walking in the truth.”. A modern commentary would highlight this in a more literarly appealing way than I can. [To the chosen lady [] and her children:. I would be very interested in evidence (from the text, grammar, or historical context) that is contrary to what I have written, as I am always trying to hone my knowledge. 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